Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by cardtrick » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:36 pm

Apparently a remarkably low number of footballers across the board have been jabbed - far lower than the national average. However if our season is stop start and lots of money from Saturday games is lost this is selfish - both towards your teammates and the club and fans. If there is a personal conviction that a vaccine is unnecessary players should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and compensate employers

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Texas Dave » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm

H Card wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:50 pm
I get the impression this isn't just limited to our club. Lots of clubs seem to have this issue (see the article with Karl Darlow or Newcastle who got quite ill with it). Seems to be just an attitude of I am too young and healthy to be affected. Going to be a lot more issues come winter.
why?, it would appear that nobody has died of flu for 3 years unless of course these statistically usual deaths(approx 20k-30k were added to the china virus! For clarity i have had covid and been double jabbed with the phizer vax. I am neither an anti vaxxer or covid denier.
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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Cardbourne » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:06 pm

cardtrick wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:36 pm
Apparently a remarkably low number of footballers across the board have been jabbed - far lower than the national average. However if our season is stop start and lots of money from Saturday games is lost this is selfish - both towards your teammates and the club and fans. If there is a personal conviction that a vaccine is unnecessary players should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and compensate employers
Maybe 'selfish', but they have every right to not accept the jab... Why should they pay employers because of a nonsensical rule the government have put in place to try pressure people to get jabbed!?

Not trying to get into a vaccine debate, but just believe in freedom of choice..

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Kingfield Ender » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:35 pm

Why should we pay players who are rendering themselves unable to work and in fact have cost the club a small fortune ?
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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Viking Card » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:49 pm

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:35 pm
Why should we pay players who are rendering themselves unable to work and in fact have cost the club a small fortune ?
I don’t want to get in a debate about vaccines as its complicated and goes beyond sport in all honesty. My main issue is why we just didn’t play the game anyway?

Either Katz and Co. are happy to write off the lost income or we prioritised the potential 3 points. If it’s the latter then fair play, but it can’t keep happening can it!? If they weren’t prioritising the points then we should have just got a side out and played the game.

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Red and White Army » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:30 pm

cardtrick wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:36 pm
Apparently a remarkably low number of footballers across the board have been jabbed - far lower than the national average. However if our season is stop start and lots of money from Saturday games is lost this is selfish - both towards your teammates and the club and fans. If there is a personal conviction that a vaccine is unnecessary players should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and compensate employers
Probably the same footballers who were whinging about Covid when the initial matches last March/April weren't cancelled initially.

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by cardtrick » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:53 pm

Viking Card wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:49 pm
Kingfield Ender wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:35 pm
Why should we pay players who are rendering themselves unable to work and in fact have cost the club a small fortune ?
I don’t want to get in a debate about vaccines as its complicated and goes beyond sport in all honesty. My main issue is why we just didn’t play the game anyway?

Either Katz and Co. are happy to write off the lost income or we prioritised the potential 3 points. If it’s the latter then fair play, but it can’t keep happening can it!? If they weren’t prioritising the points then we should have just got a side out and played the game.
We are part of a League and part of the FA - our hands are tied. You cant just 'decide' to do something in a pandemic. Agree with it or not we have to be accountable to the bodies we are part of - you cant just turn a blind eye.

If players refuse to get jabbed or act irresponsibly in a way which costs the club, teammates and fans that may be their 'right' but why should said fans, teammates and club pay for it? Take responsibility one way or the other for goodness sake!

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Viking Card » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:24 pm

cardtrick wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:53 pm
Viking Card wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:49 pm


I don’t want to get in a debate about vaccines as its complicated and goes beyond sport in all honesty. My main issue is why we just didn’t play the game anyway?

Either Katz and Co. are happy to write off the lost income or we prioritised the potential 3 points. If it’s the latter then fair play, but it can’t keep happening can it!? If they weren’t prioritising the points then we should have just got a side out and played the game.
We are part of a League and part of the FA - our hands are tied. You cant just 'decide' to do something in a pandemic. Agree with it or not we have to be accountable to the bodies we are part of - you cant just turn a blind eye.

If players refuse to get jabbed or act irresponsibly in a way which costs the club, teammates and fans that may be their 'right' but why should said fans, teammates and club pay for it? Take responsibility one way or the other for goodness sake!
Oh I’m sure that the club have acted according to protocols and league rules. My point would be that at some point we’ve got to get on with things. If all but a few are double jabbed and then it was one positive case id be inclined to isolate those that are required to and then crack on. Who’s going to know any different? All ifs, buts and maybes but as I said, at some point we have to crack on.

The league need to adjust their rules and allow some commons sense… 👀

Yeah I know.

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Red and White Army » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:36 pm

Also… is there any way the league would know how many of each team’s players are vaccinated?

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by PaulJ » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:22 am

Cardbourne wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:06 pm
cardtrick wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:36 pm
Apparently a remarkably low number of footballers across the board have been jabbed - far lower than the national average. However if our season is stop start and lots of money from Saturday games is lost this is selfish - both towards your teammates and the club and fans. If there is a personal conviction that a vaccine is unnecessary players should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and compensate employers
Maybe 'selfish', but they have every right to not accept the jab... Why should they pay employers because of a nonsensical rule the government have put in place to try pressure people to get jabbed!?

Not trying to get into a vaccine debate, but just believe in freedom of choice..
Couldn't agree more.

Relatively newish fan, first time I have ever bought a Season ticket for myself and the boy, due to work and other commitments the first time I was going to be able to go and use it, 2 matches in a week! (Know I'll likely lose money on it, but happy to help the Club). He was meeting friends there, we were really looking forward to both matches.

The way I look at it the Vaccine is voluntary, and not as effective as we were initially led to believe, and really people's medical choices are no-ones business in my humble opinion. I say NO to Coercion, every time. Flu is also deadly but never stopped football. We've had the Vaccine roll out, plus many have had Covid and have immunity to rival (or surpass according to many experts, e.g Professor of Medicine and ex-WHO Karol Sikora etc) the vaccine - so if we don't learn to live with it now when will we?

This could happen over and over again, and trash the season leaving many demoralised with football when for the sake of mental health (also important, it's been a pretty cr*p 18 months) it's really needed. I don't blame WFC at all if it's National League rules, but I hope NL Clubs are mulling this over and thinking about approaching the NL to ask them to consider where this is going.

All the best, Paul

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by top of the C » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 am

PaulJ wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:22 am
Cardbourne wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:06 pm


Maybe 'selfish', but they have every right to not accept the jab... Why should they pay employers because of a nonsensical rule the government have put in place to try pressure people to get jabbed!?

Not trying to get into a vaccine debate, but just believe in freedom of choice..
Couldn't agree more.

Relatively newish fan, first time I have ever bought a Season ticket for myself and the boy, due to work and other commitments the first time I was going to be able to go and use it, 2 matches in a week! (Know I'll likely lose money on it, but happy to help the Club). He was meeting friends there, we were really looking forward to both matches.

The way I look at it the Vaccine is voluntary, and not as effective as we were initially led to believe, and really people's medical choices are no-ones business in my humble opinion. I say NO to Coercion, every time. Flu is also deadly but never stopped football. We've had the Vaccine roll out, plus many have had Covid and have immunity to rival (or surpass according to many experts, e.g Professor of Medicine and ex-WHO Karol Sikora etc) the vaccine - so if we don't learn to live with it now when will we?

This could happen over and over again, and trash the season leaving many demoralised with football when for the sake of mental health (also important, it's been a pretty cr*p 18 months) it's really needed. I don't blame WFC at all if it's National League rules, but I hope NL Clubs are mulling this over and thinking about approaching the NL to ask them to consider where this is going.

All the best, Paul
not sure this is really the place to discuss vaccines.
quoting the discredited Sikora, who is a cancer specialist, never Prof of Medicine at UCL) doesn't help your argument either.

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by PaulJ » Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:54 am

Professor Sikora is not 'discredited', where did you get that from, proof please, he's teaching medicine in the UK right now and he knows more than you, me, anyone at WFC or the National League. No offence, but seriously???

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by cardtrick » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:20 am

I agree that Sikora is controversial and his opinion is, at best, marginal. He is an oncologist and has had no specialist experience or expertise in vaccines. Very early on he became the talking head for certain papers and media because of the line he took.... He is very critical of the NHS, is very pro privatisation and his views were used by the Republicans in the US to attack previous presidents and health care schemes

The people to listen to are the virologists - particularly those who have had previous experience with handling Sars and Ebola outbreaks.

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by top of the C » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:20 pm

PaulJ wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:54 am
Professor Sikora is not 'discredited', where did you get that from, proof please, he's teaching medicine in the UK right now and he knows more than you, me, anyone at WFC or the National League. No offence, but seriously???

All the best, Paul
maybe see this
https://www.theguardian.com/science/200 ... al-college

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Reading Card » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:42 pm

No vaccine debate here please

Everyone has the choice to have it although if a player is always self isolating on a regular basis should he be paid the same ? appearance fees etc

Cancelled matches matter as it hits us financially hard

The national league rules are shit and need changing/ updating

Very surprised that more matches are not off - are we the only ones playing by the rules ?

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Red and White Army » Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:55 pm

Reading Card wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:42 pm
No vaccine debate here please
Surprised Mike "Mr O" Bell-ington hasn't closed the thread yet...

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Wafflebutt » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:50 pm

I have a vaccination joke but some of you won't get it.

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by GoldCard » Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:05 pm

Reading Card wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:42 pm
No vaccine debate here please

Everyone has the choice to have it although if a player is always self isolating on a regular basis should he be paid the same ? appearance fees etc

Cancelled matches matter as it hits us financially hard

The national league rules are shit and need changing/ updating

Very surprised that more matches are not off - are we the only ones playing by the rules ?
I was wondering about your final point too , knowing the rates are much higher than a year ago and knowing that many younger footballers seemingly haven't had the vaccine it seems strange that there aren't more teams in our league having to postpone games due to 1 positive case in a whole squad. Makes you wonder if everyone is actually playing by the NL rules?

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by PaulJ » Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:09 pm

top of the C wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:20 pm
PaulJ wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:54 am
Professor Sikora is not 'discredited', where did you get that from, proof please, he's teaching medicine in the UK right now and he knows more than you, me, anyone at WFC or the National League. No offence, but seriously???

All the best, Paul
maybe see this
https://www.theguardian.com/science/200 ... al-college

Yes, I read it, hardly 'discredits' him, it's a 12 year old article about how he should be addressed, removing the filter of a political news outlet (they all are!) this is his page at the University of Buckingham:- https://www.buckingham.ac.uk/directory/ ... ol-sikora/

And articles about Natural Immunity:- https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... e-mandate/

"So, the emerging science suggests that natural immunity is as good as or better than vaccine-induced immunity." Washington Post 15-09-21

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21262415v1 (25-08-21)

I hate talking about this too, but comments above seem to have almost suggested coercion/ shaming/ financial penalties/ outing of players for exercising a personal medical choice that is entirely voluntary. That is the only reason I have mentioned this subject.

If they have had Covid and recovered that may have influenced their decision and sounds reasonable to me. If the rules are over the top that is not their fault.

I'm not even remotely antiVax but am massively against coercion.

Don't want to continue this debate. Just one thing to say, we're all on the same side and want to see the Club do well going forward and we're going to have to learn to live with this virus otherwise it's going to be another Basket-Case season to endure.

All the best, and Peace!

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by wfc462 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:13 am

every credible medical organisation and body encourages the uptake of the vaccine: WHO, NHS, PHE, EMA, FDA. But yes, we're all now virologists and have found something on twitter that the experts have missed.

When's our next game?

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by doylie » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:33 pm

Dowse not happy with “selfish” unvaccinated players who’ve cost the cul thousands of pounds.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sport/footb ... h-21651981
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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Kingfield Ender » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:10 pm

He's right to be angry
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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Ashcard » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:23 pm

doylie wrote:
Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:33 pm
Dowse not happy with “selfish” unvaccinated players who’ve cost the cul thousands of pounds.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sport/footb ... h-21651981
Not sure he quite gets across how angry he is with the non vaccers!!!

It will be interesting on Saturday to see his starting eleven, does he go for his best/favoured starting eleven regardless or will he go for a starting eleven of double dosers?

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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by Cardsfan » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:31 pm

Blimey. That’s a way to put division into the squad. May cost us the game at Eastleigh. Hope it’s a magical double inverse blindside double bluff!
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Re: Bromley & Chesterfield Postponed

Post by PabloInNz » Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:28 pm

Well said Dowse. All this boll*cks about personal choice and it not affecting other people if you don't get the jab drives me nuts.
Rant over.


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