League 2 North and South?

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League 2 North and South?

Post by northeast card » Sun May 17, 2020 5:44 pm

Seemingly, preliminary talks have been held about the feasibility of extending the EFL by merging League 2 and the National League and then splitting into North and South.
I can’t see it happening and would think that if there is to be a North/South split it would more likely be between Leagues 1 and 2 as I can’t see members of the EFL voting to share any money coming their way between an extra 24 clubs.
However if it were to happen would you welcome the status of being part of a 116 team EFL or view it as just a re-branded “Conference”?

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Meerkat » Sun May 17, 2020 6:23 pm

There would be a load of farcical mismatches, both in terms of playing budgets and facilities.
And it would take out the novelty Northern games for more crap in London and Essex

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Better Red » Sun May 17, 2020 6:32 pm

Given the levels of self-interest in the EFL I should think that this is unlikely to 'gain traction'.

They seem to be fairly solidly against any sort of regionalisation and, as you say, the pie would be sliced more thinly if more clubs were involved. It may make headway if the critical mass of clubs is reduced by EFL members going to the wall, but with one or two exceptions I can't see huge numbers failing. The NL has its share of 'troubled' outfits as well.

League 2 South? If this did take place in the next couple of years I suspect we might suffer in remaining part-time and not being able to do very much in the way of improving the current ground. Apart from the novelty of some different opposition do we think home attendances would rise significantly? A fair number of games would still be against our regular chums...

Regionalisation in the EFL and/or NL needs to be thought through properly if any persuasive argument is to be presented.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Adrian » Sun May 17, 2020 7:32 pm

About time this was sorted out, simple common sense.

Dover v Barrow and Barrow V Dover, two fixtures that took place on a Tuesday night this season, ridiculous.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by celtic card » Sun May 17, 2020 7:50 pm

Makes a lot of sense to me. It’s not just NL clubs that the travel places an unnecessary burden on. I kinda think regionalisation should come in from L1. Especially now, when a lot of lower league teams are gonna be struggling. Leave the Premiership and Championship national and regionalise the rest I say!

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Kingfield Ender » Sun May 17, 2020 8:13 pm

Wont happen, the league clubs would not share out the TV money.
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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Derek » Sun May 17, 2020 9:18 pm

Adrian wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 7:32 pm
About time this was sorted out, simple common sense.

Dover v Barrow and Barrow V Dover, two fixtures that took place on a Tuesday night this season, ridiculous.
They were only 2 weeks apart so one of those if not both would have been rearranged

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Two of Diamonds » Sun May 17, 2020 9:41 pm

Look at the positive. Stevenage would be in League 2 South

But it won't happen. More likely the PL U23 teams will fill the EFL gaps left by the 8 clubs that go bust this autumn...

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Adrian » Sun May 17, 2020 10:28 pm

Derek wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 9:18 pm
Adrian wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 7:32 pm
About time this was sorted out, simple common sense.

Dover v Barrow and Barrow V Dover, two fixtures that took place on a Tuesday night this season, ridiculous.
They were only 2 weeks apart so one of those if not both would have been rearranged
Not really the point is it.

We played Chesterfield on a Tuesday night, ridiculous.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Red and White Army » Mon May 18, 2020 1:12 am

Adrian wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:28 pm
Derek wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 9:18 pm


They were only 2 weeks apart so one of those if not both would have been rearranged
Not really the point is it.

We played Chesterfield on a Tuesday night, ridiculous.
Yeah we should have been playing Exeter, Plymouth Or Torquay in a League Two south match instead.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Adrian » Mon May 18, 2020 9:09 am

Red and White Army wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 1:12 am
Adrian wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:28 pm


Not really the point is it.

We played Chesterfield on a Tuesday night, ridiculous.
Yeah we should have been playing Exeter, Plymouth Or Torquay in a League Two south match instead.
Work the average distance out over the course of a season, time taken, cost per mile to transport a complete team and kit.

It’s, blindingly obvious that the proposal is a good idea, from Our point of view.

Just look at a map!!!

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by doylie » Mon May 18, 2020 10:45 am

Knowing our frikin' luck, we'll end up in the South and the DCB's will end up in the North.
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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by harland » Mon May 18, 2020 11:08 am

its so obvious this is an excellent idea, i would back it 100%
the distances travelled by clubs with not much money
and the hours spent travelling by fans is crazy at this level of Football
also the club would be guaranteed a good away payday for each game

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Cardinal96 » Mon May 18, 2020 11:27 am

I can't wait for the moment that WFC are promoted to the FL for the first time in our history.

I don't want that moment ruined by being 'reorganised' or 'elected' into the FL instead.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by harland » Mon May 18, 2020 2:58 pm

you might wait for ever, Luck plays a major part in life and we might just get lucky here.
Of course its probably the usual banter caused by so many football people with too
much time to discuss things.Teams with plastic pitches wouldn't be allowed or would they.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Derek » Mon May 18, 2020 3:00 pm

Adrian wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:28 pm
Derek wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 9:18 pm


They were only 2 weeks apart so one of those if not both would have been rearranged
Not really the point is it.

We played Chesterfield on a Tuesday night, ridiculous.
That’s exactly the point, you can’t help the date of rearranged games Adrian so don’t be silly now theirs a good lad!

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by JAM » Mon May 18, 2020 4:31 pm

Nicked from another site but this is what the league would look like if currently done
Plymouth
Swindon
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester
Forest Green
Crawley
Newport
Cambridge
Leyton orient
Stevenage
Yeovil
Borehamwood
Woking
Barnet
Dover
Bromley
Sutton
Torquay
Eastleigh
Aldershot
Dagenham
Ebbsfleet
Maidenhead
seems a few trips towards the South West rather than up North

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by jonwoozley » Mon May 18, 2020 4:38 pm

JAM wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:31 pm
Nicked from another site but this is what the league would look like if currently done
Plymouth
Swindon
Exeter
Cheltenham
Colchester
Forest Green
Crawley
Newport
Cambridge
Leyton orient
Stevenage
Yeovil
Borehamwood
Woking
Barnet
Dover
Bromley
Sutton
Torquay
Eastleigh
Aldershot
Dagenham
Ebbsfleet
Maidenhead
seems a few trips towards the South West rather than up North
Eight local away games, I'll vote for that.
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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Adrian » Mon May 18, 2020 5:22 pm

Derek wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 3:00 pm
Adrian wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 10:28 pm


Not really the point is it.

We played Chesterfield on a Tuesday night, ridiculous.
That’s exactly the point, you can’t help the date of rearranged games Adrian so don’t be silly now theirs a good lad!

Chesterfield wasn’t rearranged.


Rearranged or not, traveling to Chesterfield when the possibility of a shorter journey at the is on the horizon is ridiculous.

The Dover Barrow fixtures in question, were rearranged, yes.
But still serve to demonstrate my point.

If there is an opportunity for us to join a regionalised Football League, we should grab it with both hands.

That seem common sense to me and most on this forum I’d imagine?

I don’t think that a silly suggestion even for a lad like me, is it Derek?

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Meerkat » Mon May 18, 2020 5:28 pm

Adrian wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 9:09 am
Red and White Army wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 1:12 am


Yeah we should have been playing Exeter, Plymouth Or Torquay in a League Two south match instead.
Work the average distance out over the course of a season, time taken, cost per mile to transport a complete team and kit.

It’s, blindingly obvious that the proposal is a good idea, from Our point of view.

Just look at a map!!!
How much difference does the mileage really make? Once you have hired the coach etc does it really make a significant difference to overall club costs?
I don’t think it’s relevant. And clubs will just spend the same amount of money by paying the same group of players a little bit more.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Adrian » Mon May 18, 2020 5:49 pm

Driver costs are a lot less, Two drivers are needed for many off the longer coach trips.

Train trips are costly and require a coach in a number of instances from the mainline station to the ground.

Time.

How different clubs choose to spend their money is their business really, always has been.

A possible breakdown of the clubs in any Southern Division in this thread is a good guide to the mileage question. A large number of the trips shown are less than a couple of hours from Woking by road and not much more by train.

If the Football League offers this it is a great opportunity and one not to be sneered at.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Derek » Mon May 18, 2020 6:07 pm

I know chesterfield wasn’t rearranged but Dover v barrow was so please stop arguing with me Adrian

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Cornwall Card » Mon May 18, 2020 6:28 pm

Ask yourself, or better still Google it: why did the Football League regional divide cease in 1958?
There's even fewer reasons to divide 62 years later.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Adrian » Mon May 18, 2020 7:58 pm

Derek wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:07 pm
I know chesterfield wasn’t rearranged but Dover v barrow was so please stop arguing with me Adrian
Not arguing with you.

Healthy discussion nothing more.

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Re: League 2 North and South?

Post by Perth Card » Tue May 19, 2020 2:14 am

I remember this being talked about back in the 1990's. Fulham were in Division 4 (or whatever it was then) and the headline/pictures in the paper were about Woking playing Fulham in a league game. Surprised the idea has taken over 20 years to resurface. I still don't think it is any more likely now than it was then.


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