Salary Cap Proposal

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Salary Cap Proposal

Post by northeast card » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:02 am

Around twelve clubs have put forward a proposal for a salary cap to be considered at the AGM in August.
£900,000 for National League
£600,000 for NL North and South.
The working group hope the limit will be introduced via a vote at the AGM.

Thoughts?

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Nonsense Potter » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:03 am

I don’t think this is going to be an issue for us!

Would imagine lots of players’ wives at other clubs start getting admin roles at clubs, for rather large salaries.
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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Nick » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:05 am

Nonsense Potter wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:03 am
Would imagine lots of players’ wives at other clubs start getting admin roles at clubs, for rather large salaries.
Just apply the salary cap to the whole staff not just the players.

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Card Sharp » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:41 am

Nick wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:05 am
Nonsense Potter wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:03 am
Would imagine lots of players’ wives at other clubs start getting admin roles at clubs, for rather large salaries.
Just apply the salary cap to the whole staff not just the players.
That does not work. The bigger clubs need more staff.

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Nonsense Potter » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:55 am

Nick wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:05 am
Nonsense Potter wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:03 am
Would imagine lots of players’ wives at other clubs start getting admin roles at clubs, for rather large salaries.
Just apply the salary cap to the whole staff not just the players.
Then you get the scenario where the players’ family members just work for the owner’s company.
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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Chobham Card » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:57 am

Didn't Dowse say Torquay's playing budget was about £1.6m? £2.2m for Notts? Would love to know how much of that is salary.

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Waverley » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:23 pm

get it done

we're winning the league if this happens!

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by AndyT » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:52 pm

It's a nice idea and I for one would welcome it. I would be surprised if it gets through as too many clubs have salary budgets well in excess of £900,000 as pointed out above.

It would be interesting to know who is included within the £900,000; just the playing squad? playing squad and football management? all employees? would it include employers NI?

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by oakie » Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:37 pm

I agree with the idea of financial controls to ensure sustainable participants and a reasonably level playing field in terms of integrity of competition but show me anywhere that these type of controls have been effective and or can be policed/governed with sufficient robustness/clarity to avoid exactly the type of creative financial structuring (wife employed by the club, image rights payments, inflated sponsorship deals etc etc) that people are already talking about in this thread.

The EFL routine in L1/2 - Salary Cap Management Protocol doesn't work and hasn't stopped scenarios like Macclesfield, Southend or Bury.

The Championship - max loss approach is so opaque to be pointless and each year there are a list of clubs who clearly haven't complied but where any punishment seems disconnected from the intent of the ruleset.

UEFA Financial Fair Play - same as Championship, as proved by expensive Man City lawyers.

and its not just football, see Saracens for the rugby variant, albeit they were the most blatant, surely no sane person would argue that they are the only offenders in that sport...

So if no one can devise a protocol that can be fairly applied and achieve the core objectives that its introduction seeks to bring about - why bother at all?

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Meerkat » Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:47 pm

It’s still worth it.
If the bankrolled clubs cheat and still overspend then it hasn’t made the situation for the other clubs worse.
On the other hand most clubs will obey it and it will be helpful for boards in resisting gobby managers mobilising muppet fans into the usual “if we just invest (invest hahahahaha) more money we would get promoted”

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by top of the C » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:23 pm

Meerkat wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:47 pm
It’s still worth it.
If the bankrolled clubs cheat and still overspend then it hasn’t made the situation for the other clubs worse.
On the other hand most clubs will obey it and it will be helpful for boards in resisting gobby managers mobilising muppet fans into the usual “if we just invest (invest hahahahaha) more money we would get promoted”
i agree. Although difficult to implement, apply and police it would, at least, try to level the playing pitch.
if the sanction were relegation and the rules clear there's a chance that most teams would follow them.
it may not stop the hobby clubs, but they go 'boom and bust' anyway.
we could, if nothing else, shout at the teams that cheat/abuse the system.

would a salary cap include loan players salary?

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Kingfield Ender » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:39 pm

Fylde were working with £1.8m. That worked out well
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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Stjohn » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:45 pm

northeast card wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:02 am
Around twelve clubs have put forward a proposal for a salary cap to be considered at the AGM in August.
£900,000 for National League
£600,000 for NL North and South.
The working group hope the limit will be introduced via a vote at the AGM.

Thoughts?
It’s a good idea. It works in Super League and puts some parity and fairness back into the game

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by wokingbob » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:24 pm

I agree in principle, it can only be good for the game to keep wages at a viable level. It would, no doubt, be difficult to police and some would find loopholes and ways to circumvent the system. Responsibly managed clubs are more likely to stand a chance, and wild overspending would be curbed, even with an imperfect system, so why not give it a go?

Who can remember when clubs competed on merit and not on budget? (I can't really, although I supported Ipswich when they won the UEFA Cup in '81) What was it like at our level?
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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Adz » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:54 pm

League One and Two clubs have voted to introduce a salary cap https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696424

League 1 is 2.5 million, League 2 is 1.5 million so surely the conference should follow and be 500k? It would certainly level the playing field.

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Card Sharp » Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:58 pm

Adz wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:54 pm
League One and Two clubs have voted to introduce a salary cap https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696424

League 1 is 2.5 million, League 2 is 1.5 million so surely the conference should follow and be 500k? It would certainly level the playing field.
Maths does not quite work. The north and south would then be -500k! 900k is more accurate

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by oakie » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:08 pm

Even using the L2 figure there would be several in this division spending significantly beyond that figure in each and every recent season

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Re: Salary Cap Proposal

Post by Kingfield Ender » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:32 pm

Dagenham still going at it with £1.6m. Paul McCallum on a 3 year deal
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