Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by MattA » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:54 pm

Esher once had a second tier rugby team, and are without a decent facility.

I don’t know if it’s an immediately identifiable certain disaster.
The club needs an additional revenue stream - is an artificial pitch worse than a rugby team as a tenant?

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Rio » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:06 pm

Two of Diamonds wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:30 pm
Meerkat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:53 pm
I support the development, just concerned about who will own the club (and having to go to Farnborough for two years!!)
The talk of rugby has been around right from the start. There not being a local club would just be seen as an opportunity by someone like Morgan....
I wouldn't trust Morgan either. Something else other than Woking FC can be the only reason for the Council 'insisting' on a 10k capacity stadium.

London Irish are moving into Brentford's new home but London Welsh, having had to drop down to the bottom of the rugby pyramid, may well be something to watch. They've already had 2 promotions back up and are top of table again. In 4 years time when the new stadium is supposedly finished, they could well be back near the rugby equivalent of the Championship.

And there is always the ongoing fiasco at Coventry/Rico Arena. Who knows if Wasps could be tempted back down South?

Either way there is a massive Surrey rugby market with no top flight team between Twickenham (Harlequins) and Gloucester/Bath/Bristol. Exeter's rise has been in part due to support gleaned from the whole of Devon, Cornwall, West Dorset and South Somerset - not just within Greater Exeter itself.
If we want a stadium that is our best ever hope of becoming self sufficient - able to accommodate extra hospitality, retail outlets underneath and community facilities - the stadium has to be big enough to accommodate it all, hence the 9k capacity.

Seems to be a point that is being massively neglected...

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Cardinals Rule » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:57 pm

Meerkat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:53 pm
I support the development, just concerned about who will own the club (and having to go to Farnborough for two years!!)
Or three - I think the Q&A now says "two or three", and the latter may be more realistic.

On the possibility of sharing with a rugby club, we have very clearly been told that this will not be happening, so this is the position we should hold, ideally, rather than speculate about whether or not it may be necessary and possibly open the door to it. We have been told it won't be happening and are being asked to support the plans on that basis and so that is what we can reasonably expect.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by kansasCard » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:58 pm

Seems like a few tampons are needed. Worrying about egg chasing on the pitch and willl they be a bigger club/influence than WFC. I support whatever it takes to make the club self sufficient and secure the long term future of football in Woking even if it does ultimately involve a future share down the road. Community stadium for the community. Must of us won't visit the doctors office they build, but it's a necessary part of the plan and probably much needed. Let's get the bloody thing built first and knicker wet later.
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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Kingfield Ender » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:01 pm

It needs to be a football ground for a football club. A huge point being massively neglected.

Look at Halifax rattling about in a ground designed for the Halifax Blue Sox rugby team
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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by DavetheBountyHunter » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:06 pm

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:01 pm
It needs to be a football ground for a football club. A huge point being massively neglected.

Look at Halifax rattling about in a ground designed for the Halifax Blue Sox rugby team
Who do you think it’s been designed for then?
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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Nick » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:17 pm

KE’s just worried we might get a bottle bar with the new stadium and then he’ll have nothing to moan about

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Kingfield Ender » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:00 pm

A bottle bar will solve everything. Bar queue and atmosphere for a start
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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Meerkat » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:41 pm

I think someone said the new stadium wouldn’t be big enough for rugby top leagues?

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Stower » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:21 pm

The documents I have read state that the pitch will be hybrid grass, which is what is used at most Premier League grounds. Furthermore, a number of football teams currently groundshare with rugby teams, including Swansea who use this hybrid grass. I'm not an expert, but hybrid grass is apparently designed to withstand more wear and tear so you would imagine we wouldn't be looking at a muddy bog of a pitch for most of the season, impacting on the free flowing football that we'll no doubt be serving up.

However, the point of a larger sporting team, be it from rugby or another sport, coming in and taking over the club operations is surely a valid concern. A new stadium would be fantastic for the club. But equally it can be a double-edged sword. There could be a number of scenarios whereby the stadium could become very attractive to outside sporting teams, particularly if the club was being poorly run, or attendances were low. No matter what people are saying now that this will never happen, things can change in the future. A brand new stadium with state of the art facilities being poorly run - the vultures could circle.

Imagine the scenario that a rugby club with significantly higher attendances are looking for a home. Woking FC were making losses. It could be easy to see football becoming a lesser priority and the club operations eventually being taken over by directors with other priorities. Particularly, if they are able to run the club in a more financially sustainable manner and/or make a profit. A rugby team with higher attendances and increased opportunity to better utilise the facilities and make them profitable would fit that description, unfortunately. Whether that is likely, who knows. And I would still think that Woking's potential for having a successful football team is better than rugby, but you never know.

One thing is for sure. If and when the club regain control from Goldev (assuming this is after the stadium build is complete and not after the whole project is completed years later), we will need to be run very professionally. This is going to be a significant challenge and the club will need to have directors and people employed in responsible positions that are capable of delivering a profit for the club in all of those areas being earmarked for income generation, such as hospitality, income rental from retail, sponsorship etc. This is obviously key - we must make this sustainable.

Ideally you would also want the fans to have a big shareholding in the club when it is given back to the club to help protect the football club. However whether this is feasible or not I don't know. Otherwise, we are relying on those directors in charge to make the right decisions.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Meerkat » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:53 pm

What makes you think the club is being given back? I thought the council were getting control?

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Adrian » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:11 pm

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:01 pm
It needs to be a football ground for a football club. A huge point being massively neglected.

Look at Halifax rattling about in a ground designed for the Halifax Blue Sox rugby team
The Shay was built to accommodate Speedway.

Halifax Blue Socks RLFC played at their own ground, the wonderful, Thrum Hall, also built with Speedway in mind. Sadly gone now, glad I got there to see a match before it was built on.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Reading Card » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:58 am

Building a facility that can only be used 25-30 days of the year makes no business since what's so ever.

Unfortunately or fortunately ( depending on how you look at it ) multi purpose facilities is the way forward. We already share our ground with another team and that pretty much has no impact thanks to the hybrid grass/ pitch that we use in the goal mouths.

My preference would be a premier league ladies team or under 21's ( like alderpop) so someone football related.

But like it or not - ground sharing/ renting is the future due to running costs. I guess the most extreme example of this is Spurs with their NFL pitch.

The challenge of maintaining attendances , poor performance or relegation/ cash flow/ ownership are all problems we face today and will in the future rugby team or not.

Lets embraces the changes but at the same time try to keep the tradition and core values of the football club.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by KT15 Card » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:12 am

Let's get planning permission first

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by bobr666 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:51 pm

I have heard that the expectation is that the planned pitch (which is the same technology as the areas around our goals now) is to be Desso. That should allow up to three matches per week, depending on the weather. That seems a good compromise between plastic and the traditional mud/sand/bare pitches of old.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Stjohn » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:18 pm

Is the decision day for planning permission quite soon now, is it Feb or March?

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by DavetheBountyHunter » Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:33 am

17th March IIRC.

I’d urge any Woking fans to write in support to their local councillor, especially if they are on the committee who will be making the decision.
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Post by Chobham Card » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:16 am

DavetheBountyHunter wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:33 am
17th March IIRC.

I’d urge any Woking fans to write in support to their local councillor, especially if they are on the committee who will be making the decision.
And make some social media noise if they can, as there's a small but fairly regular stream of crackpots trying to dictate the narrative. Ian Nicholson posts some brilliant stuff in support of the stadium on his Twitter feed - would be good to see him backed as strongly as possible.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by top of the C » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:32 pm

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:01 pm
It needs to be a football ground for a football club. A huge point being massively neglected.

Look at Halifax rattling about in a ground designed for the Halifax Blue Sox rugby team
as against when they used to play at the Shay that could hold 36,000.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Kingfield Ender » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:55 pm

And had Speedway

Maybe we could have MONSTER TRUCKS !!
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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Adrian » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:50 pm

top of the C wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:32 pm
Kingfield Ender wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:01 pm
It needs to be a football ground for a football club. A huge point being massively neglected.

Look at Halifax rattling about in a ground designed for the Halifax Blue Sox rugby team
as against when they used to play at the Shay that could hold 36,000.
They do play at The Shay.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Reading Card » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:39 am

Brentford new stadium looks tidy

Our initial designs look very similar! 17,500 capacity.

Is this project being funded by the developer too ?

Premium seats all sold out apparently- shows the demand for that kind ticket

I won't mention London Irish sharing ….

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Bowler Hat » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:59 pm

It does look very similar to our planned stadium. Even looks like it might have been funded by some high rise residential blocks in a low rise area.

Precedent set!

https://newstadium.brentfordfc.com/stadium

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Ian B » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:19 pm

According to a SWAG post on Facebook, the Planning Inspector thinks there would be over-density if the current housing proposals were to ahead.

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Re: Woking fans – support our new stadium regeneration

Post by Chobham Card » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:14 am

Ian B wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:19 pm
According to a SWAG post on Facebook, the Planning Inspector thinks there would be over-density if the current housing proposals were to ahead.
I saw this on the Woking Live group. Some of the NIMBYs are really celebrating it, but in truth all it means is that the inspector doesn't know what the exact numbers are. From the letter (dry language incoming):

"Unlike other sites which the SADPD seeks to allocate, no indicative housing yield is assumed and I am mindful that there has been a wide range of dwelling numbers suggested from various quarters over the course of the plan’s preparation."

"Accordingly, to ensure that Policy UA44 is soundly based in these regards an indicative quantum of residential development should be included, alongside the other modifications already discussed at the hearing. The figure should be based on an assessment of the developable land available over and above the proportion of the siterequired for the football stadium and associated retailing and be in line with the indicative densities set out in Policy CS10 of the Core Strategy."

It's been posted as a "rejection" and has a massive paragraph from SWAG about how the dev should "do the honourable thing" and all that nonsense, but it's not the silver dagger it's being presented as.


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