New ground plans

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Re: New ground plans

Post by AndyT » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:58 pm

SussexSeasider wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:35 pm
AndyT wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:42 am
What is it with people and their obsession with parking. You don’t have a god given right to parking so get over the fact the new facility will only have limited parking. Ultimately the only parking the club and the new ground have to concern themselves about is disabled parking. Anything else is a bonus.
There are the words of a typical non-driving person who has a good train service to Woking.
You may be right but it is also right to say a lot of people believe it’s their god given right to have a car parking space.

Plus if you think SWR provide a good train service then you are very well mistaken.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Meerkat » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:52 pm

I think people in most places in the country would consider Woking’s train service very good indeed

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Baldman » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:20 am

The planners have to assume that in each dwellingbwill be one or possibly two car owners. If the plans don’t allow for car parking spaces it’s likely that cars will be parked in surrounding roads.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by photocard » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:35 am

Baldman wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:20 am
The planners have to assume that in each dwellingbwill be one or possibly two car owners. If the plans don’t allow for car parking spaces it’s likely that cars will be parked in surrounding roads.
Exactly, whether there has been a dialogue with the council about this, who knows but you'd like to think so. I can only assume the council are pushing for a reduction of car use, although as others have said you'd think starting by improving bus routes etc would be best.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Baldman » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:38 am

photocard wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:35 am
Baldman wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:20 am
The planners have to assume that in each dwellingbwill be one or possibly two car owners. If the plans don’t allow for car parking spaces it’s likely that cars will be parked in surrounding roads.
Exactly, whether there has been a dialogue with the council about this, who knows but you'd like to think so. I can only assume the council are pushing for a reduction of car use, although as others have said you'd think starting by improving bus routes etc would be best.
There’s a trend to fewer spaces. A recent development in Weybridge had 11 flats and no parking.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by KT15 Card » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:35 pm

Which surrounding roads? Bar loop road, I can't think of any and I'm sure they will make Sycamore Avenue a CPZ once/if it's built

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Re: New ground plans

Post by skippy » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:57 pm

Woking have a parking standards SPD as part of their planning documentation.

Number of bedrooms Flat, apartment or maisonette - Minimum parking provision per dwelling
1 bedroom - 0.5
2 bedroom - 1
3 bedroom - 1
4 bedroom - 1.5

In the town centre the council will allow parking provision below these minimums.

The developer is providing 0.75 parking spaces per dwelling.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Baldman » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:10 pm

skippy wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:57 pm
Woking have a parking standards SPD as part of their planning documentation.

Number of bedrooms Flat, apartment or maisonette - Minimum parking provision per dwelling
1 bedroom - 0.5
2 bedroom - 1
3 bedroom - 1
4 bedroom - 1.5

In the town centre the council will allow parking provision below these minimums.

The developer is providing 0.75 parking spaces per dwelling.
Thanks Skippy. Does the site count as ‘town centre?’

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Re: New ground plans

Post by skippy » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:57 pm

No, the town centre designated area ends at Mount Hermon Road.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by NewCard » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:37 pm

This petition is picking up speed as people share it around social media...

http://chng.it/dtMHzrMn

Perhaps those that support the development should start a rival petition ha ha

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Re: New ground plans

Post by DavetheBountyHunter » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:47 pm

NewCard wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:37 pm
This petition is picking up speed as people share it around social media...

http://chng.it/dtMHzrMn

Perhaps those that support the development should start a rival petition ha ha
I’ve seen it shared on Facebook by two people. With all due respect to those two, one is a housewife who campaigns about/opposes everything and the other wouldn’t be out of place on the now defunct Jeremy Kyle. Hopefully the council factor that into their decision making.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Card Sharp » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:55 pm

skippy wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:57 pm
Woking have a parking standards SPD as part of their planning documentation.

Number of bedrooms Flat, apartment or maisonette - Minimum parking provision per dwelling
1 bedroom - 0.5
2 bedroom - 1
3 bedroom - 1
4 bedroom - 1.5

In the town centre the council will allow parking provision below these minimums.

The developer is providing 0.75 parking spaces per dwelling.
So get a fiat 500?

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Meerkat » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:54 am

Finally got round to looking at the ground layouts....
Is the plan that the kiosks will sell beer? The bar only seems to be accessible from outside the ground, and up a set of stairs, which will get a bit busy before kick off and at the end of the game.
There are only small doors connecting the concourses - are they just for staff/emergencies or will we be allowed to move from stand to stand?
Also there is a player’s lounge which is understandable but takes us further from the days when they all came in the bar and had to face the public.
Overall the plans look great though.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Kingfield Ender » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:02 am

A facebook group has been set up to protest against it
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Re: New ground plans

Post by doylie » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:08 am

From memory there are about eight "kiosks" scattered around the ground, the set use for them is currently undefined, but Rosemary said at the forum that "there would be plenty of opportunities for bottle bars". There are also lifts up to each level of the ground and one of the "asks" to the designers was that supporters can "change ends" which the stadium designers seemed to think was quaintly odd, but as far as I know has been accounted for.

I seem to remember that the "players lounge" was specifically mentioned as a league requirement. It was also reiterated that these plans were still work in progress and that the board were encouraging feedback and ideas from supporters on all aspects of the ground.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by CardsOnTour » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:05 pm

DavetheBountyHunter wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:47 pm
NewCard wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:37 pm
This petition is picking up speed as people share it around social media...

http://chng.it/dtMHzrMn

Perhaps those that support the development should start a rival petition ha ha
I’ve seen it shared on Facebook by two people. With all due respect to those two, one is a housewife who campaigns about/opposes everything and the other wouldn’t be out of place on the now defunct Jeremy Kyle. Hopefully the council factor that into their decision making.
In theory councils only listen to "planning issues" so the emotive responses should be ignored.

Politics often comes into play however...

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Re: New ground plans

Post by DesCartes » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:32 pm

NewCard wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:37 pm
This petition is picking up speed as people share it around social media...

http://chng.it/dtMHzrMn

Perhaps those that support the development should start a rival petition ha ha
This may be controversial but does the town actually need more doctors' surgeries? Often when I visit mine, the waiting room is like the Marie Celeste. It's a post code lottery and I appreciate that it's very different in other parts of the country...

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Re: New ground plans

Post by horsellboy » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:10 pm

Noticed David Taylor representing Woking football club at the recent Mayford Village hall display answering questions, thought he wasn’t involved anymore . Somebody is telling porkies !

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Better Red » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:40 pm

This may have already been mentioned (in which case apologies though it is a long thread) but has any space been requested or allocated for a small celebration of the Club's history whilst at Kingfield - and possibly earlier?

Usual material (with acknowledgments to the lenders), photos, memorabilia, programmes, film clips, fanzines, shirts, publications, pennants, etc from bygone seasons.

Would be a shame to not have something actually on-site for visitors to Kingfield II, despite the excellence of such on-line archives as the Cardinal Tales.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by AndyT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:41 pm

horsellboy wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:10 pm
Noticed David Taylor representing Woking football club at the recent Mayford Village hall display answering questions, thought he wasn’t involved anymore . Somebody is telling porkies !
He might not be directly involved in the running of the club but he is very involved in this development.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by AndyT » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:42 pm

Better Red wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:40 pm
This may have already been mentioned (in which case apologies though it is a long thread) but has any space been requested or allocated for a small celebration of the Club's history whilst at Kingfield - and possibly earlier?

Usual material (with acknowledgments to the lenders), photos, memorabilia, programmes, film clips, fanzines, shirts, publications, pennants, etc from bygone seasons.

Would be a shame to not have something actually on-site for visitors to Kingfield II, despite the excellence of such on-line archives as the Cardinal Tales.
This has been discussed and it will be incorporated into the new stadium somewhere.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by doylie » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:25 pm

Better Red: The concept of a designated area encompassing our Cardinal and White heritage has certainly been mentioned to myself and my good friend Bob Cumming on many occasions over the last few years by a number of the current Board. They’re very keen to promote the history of our club and the people associated with it over the years.

They’ve also mentioned that certain areas, lounges, stands will be named after Cardinal legends such as Chapple, Lippiatt, Mortimore, Hamm, Lintott, Ledger, Wye, Gosden etc

The Andy Clement Bottle Bar has a real ring to it.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Better Red » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:32 pm

Good to know.

Thanks, both.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Bobbo » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:29 am

AndyT wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:41 pm
He might not be directly involved in the running of the club but he is very involved in this development.
Do I have to get worried about this? DT is followed and surrounded by a sort of "poisoned black fog"...
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Re: New ground plans

Post by horsellboy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:37 am

We should be very worried, in the past he has been ‘very involved’ in certain areas of the club and it has never ended well. Full of fantasy


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