New ground plans

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Re: New ground plans

Post by kansasCard » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:16 pm

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Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:23 pm
But....has it got a gate 3?

Serious question - how will the away end work? Given where the station is and most park it is never easy doing segregation....
no need - they'll just kick down the railings and leave via the nearest exit.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by doylie » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:35 pm

The club and its stadium designers seem to have nailed the segregation perfectly. Entry for visitors would be totally separate from the home supporters, through the access road off Westfield Avenue where they’d get into the ground at the top left hand corner of the picture below. The away end is modular so can be expanded to suit the volume of support. In most cases the away allocation stands at 1,500 mostly standing at the top half of the terrace behind the goal (home supporters could still be allocated in the bottom half. If you look closely at the drawing there’s away seating directly above the standing area.

If required, segregation can be fully extended to the full length of the terrace and more seating can be made available for away fans in the bottom left of the East stand as the new design makes the stand and it’s facilities easily segregated both above and below.

Calling it the “Gate3 End” would be a cool idea. Also, I’m well up for the idea thrown out there last night to have a retractable roof over the away end for when Dartford or Aldershot come to leafy Surrey.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by AndyT » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:43 pm

Now the plans are out in the open does anyone know if the flaws in the plans which mean parts of the stadium don’t meet current building regulations have been addressed.

I’m only highlighting this as an architect friend of mine who has studied the plans has highlighted areas that don’t meet current regulations. He tells me he has advised the club of what he has found but they don’t appear to have acted upon it.

Hopefully my friends fears will be unfounded but if not he reckons there could be problems once building actually gets underway.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by skippy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:52 pm

doylie wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:02 pm

I’ve only seen the design renders of the 3 blocks next to the new Stand and that doesn’t show car park accesses on the vista next to the new main Stand that they propose to pedestrianise on matchdays. Have you actually seen flat plans of the 3 blocks with the access there then skippy? It would make sense to move the car park access onto the roads that lead of Westfield Avenue if that’s the case.
Saw all the floor plans today, the renders were done before the current layouts. Any access restrictions will apparently be written in to the lease documents for the resi units.
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Now the plans are out in the open does anyone know if the flaws in the plans which mean parts of the stadium don’t meet current building regulations have been addressed.

I’m only highlighting this as an architect friend of mine who has studied the plans has highlighted areas that don’t meet current regulations. He tells me he has advised the club of what he has found but they don’t appear to have acted upon it.

Hopefully my friends fears will be unfounded but if not he reckons there could be problems once building actually gets underway.
I'm curious what flaws? And I'm surprised anyone can work out if it doesn't meet building regs on the plans I've seen so far.
The only thing I've noticed is there doesn't appear to be level access from outside to the seating for wheelchair users.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by AndyT » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:06 pm

AndyT wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:43 pm
Now the plans are out in the open does anyone know if the flaws in the plans which mean parts of the stadium don’t meet current building regulations have been addressed.

I’m only highlighting this as an architect friend of mine who has studied the plans has highlighted areas that don’t meet current regulations. He tells me he has advised the club of what he has found but they don’t appear to have acted upon it.

Hopefully my friends fears will be unfounded but if not he reckons there could be problems once building actually gets underway.
I'm curious what flaws? And I'm surprised anyone can work out if it doesn't meet building regs on the plans I've seen so far.
The only thing I've noticed is there doesn't appear to be level access from outside to the seating for wheelchair users.
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Skippy, I do not profess to know or understand the technicalities of what my friend was telling me, he was just frustrated that despite him bringing his concerns to the club’s attention they ‘appear’ to have ignored him.

This is how he summarised his concerns to me:


Its a tough one, because each point I've made relates to a different issue, some are building regulations compliance issues. Some are stadium-specific issues where we don't meet the minimum standards in certain areas. Some are operational issues. Some are important rooms/spaces we are missing’

I am very much behind the redevelopment as it is the only realistic way forward to ensure WFC survive and flourish in the future and I want it to proceed with as few problems as possible so when I’m told by a qualified person that he has seen areas of concern in the plans then personally I taken them seriously. Now these may have, or will be, rectified so my concerns and his are (hopefully) unfounded.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Nick » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:12 pm

skippy wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:52 pm
The only thing I've noticed is there doesn't appear to be level access from outside to the seating for wheelchair users.
That’s not actually a requirement is it? Lots of new build stadiums require wheelchair users to go up in a lift to get to their seats.

It’s a pain getting out the bigger stadiums because of that, Spurs’ new one in particular, queue for ages to use the lifts.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by doylie » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:16 pm

Agree with skippy on the ground regulations, I’d be very surprised if they don’t comply, the people that designed the stadium are responsible for Leicester City’s new ground and the redevelopment of Old Trafford amongst others.

It was mentioned last night that moving on to the next stage they were intending to get involved with a specialist organisation (they did say the name, but it escapes me) that deals with disability issues. I noticed that stairs AND lifts to all levels of the ground were also mentioned.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by doylie » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:23 pm

Andy, have a word to Nell about your friend’s concerns, he seems totally on top of the stadium development on behalf of the club, I’m sure he’ll take onboard what you have to say.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Bobbo » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:57 pm

doylie wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:35 pm
Also, I’m well up for the idea thrown out there last night to have a retractable roof over the away end for when Dartford or Aldershot come to leafy Surrey.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Kingfield Ender » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:52 am

I care not now I hope it happens for the yoof

for me?, a bottle bar so i can drink myself into spastication before i die will do. Come on yoo fucking cards
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Re: New ground plans

Post by MattA » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:04 am

The yellow rectangle in the top left, or the yellow triangle towards the bottom right are potentially spaces for the bottle bar

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Harribo » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:14 am

From what people are saying that would (effectively)put away fans in the Leslie gosden end right next to moaners?

Fwiw I love the images that have come out and prefer the slight straightening of the pitch compared to a 90degree swing that had been suggested.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by doylie » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:19 pm

Rosemary mentioned Bottle Bars at the meeting, there are something like eight or nine kiosk areas on two of the three levels of the new ground, with as yet undetermined uses, so there’s going to be plenty of opportunities for bottle bars.

The yellow wedge top right on this first floor plan will be the new bar area, it will have spectacular views over the new vista, approximately where Paul Weller crashed his old Lambretta into Merton Mick’s Cortina in the old car park ala 1984.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by SussexSeasider » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:26 pm

Harribo wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:14 am
From what people are saying that would (effectively)put away fans in the Leslie gosden end right next to moaners?

Fwiw I love the images that have come out and prefer the slight straightening of the pitch compared to a 90degree swing that had been suggested.
Yes and no. There was no Moaners Corner type area mentioned for the new ground until someone brought it up and then all the suggestions for a possible location for it were grumbled at - quite rightly. Then it was offered that ‘maybe’ it could be in a similar location to now but it’s up to the fans to tell them what they want

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Re: New ground plans

Post by skippy » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Moaner's needs to be within earshot of the bench and where the assistant will be running the line.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by wokingbob » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:27 pm

One of the images included s moaner's corner sign near to the dug-outs and the panel were listening to the preferred location. The were no moans about moaners comments or suggestions.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by SussexSeasider » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:28 pm

wokingbob wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:27 pm
One of the images included s moaner's corner sign near to the dug-outs and the panel were listening to the preferred location. The were no moans about moaners comments or suggestions.
There was when it was suggested it went adjacent to the KRE

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Re: New ground plans

Post by wokingbob » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:33 pm

Agreed Seasider. I meant no moans from the club or developers. I agree nearer the dogouts would be better and traditional.

Anyway - I thought they were passionate, constructive comments. :)
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Re: New ground plans

Post by SussexSeasider » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:47 pm

wokingbob wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:33 pm
Agreed Seasider. I meant no moans from the club or developers. I agree nearer the dogouts would be better and traditional.

Anyway - I thought they were passionate, constructive comments. :)
Oh absolutely! I love the fact that the Club also want us to say what we want and will do what they can to please as many fans as possible.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Phoenix1959 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:10 am

Friendly fan from over the border here.

Just came on here to look at another thread that was being discussed on our message board and I have looked at your new stadium plans.

Genuinely pleased for you over this, apart from your big stand you suffer the same as us with an old ground that cant make money for the club other than on match days, your new stadium will transform the fortunes of your club going forward. We have similar plans now that we have a long lease on the ground and I would be delighted if our new stadium looked anywhere as good as the plans for yours look.

Good luck with it, I hope it all goes well.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by AndyT » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:22 am

Phoenix1959 wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:10 am
Friendly fan from over the border here.

Just came on here to look at another thread that was being discussed on our message board and I have looked at your new stadium plans.

Genuinely pleased for you over this, apart from your big stand you suffer the same as us with an old ground that cant make money for the club other than on match days, your new stadium will transform the fortunes of your club going forward. We have similar plans now that we have a long lease on the ground and I would be delighted if our new stadium looked anywhere as good as the plans for yours look.

Good luck with it, I hope it all goes well.
Despite what some people might say Woking and Aldershot Town are similar in many ways and specifically that both have old grounds that cost a fortune to maintain and produce very little non football income. Both clubs rely on gate money and fans putting their hands in their pockets.

This development is vital for Woking’s future existence (at a decent level anyway) and Aldershot are in a similar position. You need to develop the ground and surrounding area to make the club financially stable and you seem to have support from Rushmoor council so it should happen. What happens in the meantime must be a worry if you have the levels of debt that is being mooted.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by SussexSeasider » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:49 am

Best comment in the Surrey Ad from local resident on the plans for development: "they've taken our sunset away" - referring to the high rise...!

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Re: New ground plans

Post by KT14_Card » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:55 am

Get surrey facebook page have posted the article and some of the replies are highly amusing, although most share the same views regarding parking, travel, infrastructure etc

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Re: New ground plans

Post by SussexSeasider » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:31 pm

The parking for the residential element does raise eyebrows - 5 parking spaces per 10 apartments. However they are obviously going down the disuading car use route and the close proximity of the station probably/hopefully sorts this to some extent.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Reading Card » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:15 pm

The parking for the residential element does raise eyebrows - 5 parking spaces per 10 apartments. However they are obviously going down the disuading car use route and the close proximity of the station probably/hopefully sorts this to some extent
The places near the station have no parking.

They will probably sold with none and you have to pay extra for a space if you want one of the 5


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