New ground plans

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New ground plans

Post by wokingcardinal » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:24 pm


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Re: New ground plans

Post by skippy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:38 am

Had my promo leaflet come through the post yesterday.

Rather slick but also rather quiet about how many dwellings will be in the new neighbourhood.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by GladToBeHere » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:58 am

Have seen somewhere on this forum a 1,000 flats mentioned.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by DavetheBountyHunter » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:21 pm

I think in the spirit of something being priced as £9.99, it was actually around 995 or something similar!
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Red and White Army » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:29 pm

GladToBeHere wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:58 am
Have seen somewhere on this forum a 1,000 flats mentioned.
That’s the part that seems unlikely though. It would mean a ridiculous number of storeys - so far all we’ve heard is “more than 3 and less than 30 storeys”

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Cardinal96 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:17 pm

Red and White Army wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:29 pm
That’s the part that seems unlikely though. It would mean a ridiculous number of storeys - so far all we’ve heard is “more than 3 and less than 30 storeys”
I think I can guess which of those numbers it will be closest to.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by rosemaryj » Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:26 pm

The board promised fans that when the plans for the stadium were ready they would be shown them first and consulted.

The presentation on this Thursday(11th) at 7pm will be about the stadium and to provide supporters with the opportunity to comment on the design and facilities.

This presentation is part of the consultation process and the only one specifically about the stadium.

There are subsequent consultations for fans and the general public which will cover the whole of the development including Egley Road. These consultations will involve all areas of the development with myself and members of the development team in attendance.

For anyone who is not clear the dates following the presentation to fans are these:

Friday 12th July from 2-8 at the Laithwaite Stadium

Saturday 13th July from 10-noon for general public and then for fans attending the Oxford match at the Laithwaite Stadium

Tuesday 16th July from 2 - 6 for general public and then for fans attending the Wycombe match at the Laithwaite Stadium

Thursday 18th July from 4- 8 at the Mayford Village Hall.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Kingfield Ender » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:41 am

Are we still seriously pursuing a 10,000 capacity ground ?
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Ashcard » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:41 am
Are we still seriously pursuing a 10,000 capacity ground ?
What is wrong with that? Is it not a good thing that the club is showing ambition?

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Chobham Card » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:15 am

Ashcard wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am
Kingfield Ender wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:41 am
Are we still seriously pursuing a 10,000 capacity ground ?
What is wrong with that? Is it not a good thing that the club is showing ambition?
Think the concern is in terms of extra cost, maintenance, etc. We can be ambitious, but we wouldn't be getting crowds of 10,000 even if we got promoted next season and then stayed there! A more managable attendance of something like 6-7,500 would save us money in the long run and still hit the standards we need for league football.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by DavetheBountyHunter » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:33 am

Chobham Card wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:15 am
Ashcard wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am


What is wrong with that? Is it not a good thing that the club is showing ambition?
Think the concern is in terms of extra cost, maintenance, etc. We can be ambitious, but we wouldn't be getting crowds of 10,000 even if we got promoted next season and then stayed there! A more managable attendance of something like 6-7,500 would save us money in the long run and still hit the standards we need for league football.
I don’t think we are paying for the ground. It’s being funded by the developer, so the club are probably thinking that they might as well get a ground ready for League Two/large cup games, rather than have to find millions in a decade or so.

I can see both sides, but also understand how little money the club has, which is why I imagine the decision has been made.
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Baldman » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:04 am

I think the issue is more around the cost of upkeep than the cost of build. But I do see what you mean re getting a big enough ground to be future proof. It’s a bit of a balance.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Kingfield Ender » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:07 am

Empty grounds cost money to maintain

With the best will in the world we aren't getting 5000+ anytime soon
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Reading Card » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:11 am

Re the 10,000 debate;

In favour;
We have never reached our potential , who knows what gates a league performing team would get.
We are not paying for it , when we will have the opportunity to do it again

Against
Maintenance, one of the big burdens about our exiting ground is the ongoing costs
We currently have a core following of 1000 ! With our ambitious part time status and south players we are hardly aiming for the top ! If we went down or had a few shit seasons that's a big old stadium to fill !

I would prefer a option to extend in the future ( when we get in the league) however we would then need the capital at that point to do it where as right now its paid for.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by DavetheBountyHunter » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:31 am

Kingfield Ender wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:07 am
Empty grounds cost money to maintain

With the best will in the world we aren't getting 5000+ anytime soon
New grounds should be designed in a way that the maintenance costs are minimal compared to our current ground, shouldn’t they?
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Re: New ground plans

Post by Reading Card » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:45 am

New grounds should be designed in a way that the maintenance costs are minimal compared to our current ground, shouldn’t they?
100 %

We should be looking at carbon neutral too thus saving on energy costs (solar panels etc)

For it to work we need to;
Maximising event days / ground sharing arrangements
Optimising non-gate sports income related to hospitality, concessions, ground sponsorship, advertising and parking
Generating premium income through club seats and boxes
Diversifying operations to provide a 365 days a year income - such as hotels, conferences, bar rental

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Rio » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:04 pm

Reading Card wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:45 am
New grounds should be designed in a way that the maintenance costs are minimal compared to our current ground, shouldn’t they?
100 %

We should be looking at carbon neutral too thus saving on energy costs (solar panels etc)

For it to work we need to;
Maximising event days / ground sharing arrangements
Optimising non-gate sports income related to hospitality, concessions, ground sponsorship, advertising and parking
Generating premium income through club seats and boxes
Diversifying operations to provide a 365 days a year income - such as hotels, conferences, bar rental
That's why we need the bigger stadium, so we have more space to generate secondary revenue (even if I disagree with how much they think they'll make).

It's all fucking irrelevant anyway - there isn't a single precedent for a redevelopment site outside of Woking town center for a redevelopment over 3-4 stories high.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Kingfield Ender » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:15 pm

Good point Rio, can imagine serious opposition to 'Kingfield Towers'
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Re: New ground plans

Post by H Card » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:23 pm

Not only this but the plan is to also build 300 houses round the new David Lloyd development on Egley road according to the leaflet sent last week, which will garner some opposition from the locals (my parents being one) which would scupper the whole move, if that fell through.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by rosemaryj » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:31 pm

Just a correction to the post from Rio, Sheerwater has planning approval for blocks over three stories and is not in the town centre.

The number of houses on the Egley Road is under 40 I believe.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Bowler Hat » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:33 pm

The new houses at the end of Westfield Avenue are five floors high, so there's a precedent. Whether approval would be given for a much bigger development at that height is another matter.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Rio » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:34 pm

H Card wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:23 pm
Not only this but the plan is to also build 300 houses round the new David Lloyd development on Egley road according to the leaflet sent last week, which will garner some opposition from the locals (my parents being one) which would scupper the whole move, if that fell through.
Unless I'm missing something, the amount of flats/ houses was always common knowledge - give or take 1000. It was always going to be split in two locations - Egley Road and the football club. Not sure why this is a surprise to some.

I look forward to the day when someone can explain the logistics of how exactly this is going to happen. The local infrastructure is already creaking. Local residents have genuine concerns. I hope we can offer better answers than 'more than 3, less than 30' on Thursday.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by Kingfield Ender » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:39 pm

Still no mention of the bottle bar.........
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Re: New ground plans

Post by rosemaryj » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:42 pm

Just to emphasise Thursdays presentation is about the stadium for fans to run through all the detail that is now in place and to make comments that can be incorporated into any final changes. This is the promise we made to fans at the last meeting. We want to make sure where possible our new stadium meets our requirements, both on match days and non-match days.

All other dates are for the detailed discussion over the development in its entirety.

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Re: New ground plans

Post by wfc462 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:28 pm

how many of the flats are being given to the football club to provide non-football income?


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